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We've started posting a blog series around this broad concept including video clips from a panel discussion
that recently took place in NY with some of the top leaders in national arts organizati ons and the general arts policy arena today.
We would love to know your thoughts here...some of the topics we will explore in the blog series include:
Arts Education
the Value of the Arts
Paying for the Arts
the Impact of the Arts
What leaders can do for the Arts
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Here is a link to Webisode 1.
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Arts in America
Somewhere in amongst all the rest of the replies it should be noted that any type of artistic expression
can be therapeuti c in nature. The process itself of focusing on the task one has set ones self, whether it be dance, music, performanc e art, or any other type of media can be beneficial to the individual creating it as well as to the audience. How do you put a price on that? I have often said that if the eyes are the windows of the soul, then Art is it's voice. How do you put a price tag on the visualizat ion of human emotion? sorry if I'm rambling. -
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Arts Education the Value of the Arts Paying for the Arts the Impact of the Arts What leaders can do for the Arts
The discussion always comes back to the money one, and it doesn't have too. (It should be noted I still haven't watched the webisodes)
Arts Education - Some form of art should become a requirement in the schools, rather than an elective. That will take some money changing hands within the local schools systems, and that will cause a fight of course. But it's up to us to show up at those meetings and insist on the changes, with solid reasoning to back up our insistence. Will we take the time and energy? It won't cost us any money, outside of the gas budget.
the Value of Arts - I don't think this has anything to do with value as in monetary value, but what value in emotion, thought, human and social importance that we put on it. I show my estimation of value by discussing it all the time. I have my own art in my yard, though my neighbors think I'm crazy. I talk to teenagers whenever I run into one, inviting them to drop by the studios and have a look, try their hand. I taught my own kids, and now my daughter and I are passing it on to my grandson.
Education and Value together - Most art associations charge a membership fee. That leaves a lot of artists out of the mix. Start a no fee art association with all the artist you know. Make the focus about education and spreading the word, rather than about promoting each artist and the association. Get permission to have no fee sidewalk artshows in a local park or a sidewalk show. Make awareness the key, rather than sales. Show enthusiasm, talk about the arts to everyone that comes by. Offer classes to kids who otherwise might have nothing to do with the arts, for they lack opportunity.
Paying for the arts - forget it. Don't tie the arts to the government. At a grassroots level, art awareness and participation can cost very little. Think about it.
What leaders can do - We are the leaders. Don't count on anyone else, make things happen yourself. I'm working on that now, in my own small way, here where I live.
Just my thoughts on the subjects.
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I really appreciate your thing about the eyes of the soul and art being it's voice...and I don't think it always goes back to money, but we do have to eat. There's that thing of Maslow's hierarchy of needs (http://www.union.umd.edu/GH/basic_needs/images/maslows_hierarchy2.jpg) There is no need for 'society' or 'culture' to worry about buying our art, any more than there is a need for us to worry about them buying it.. but I got tell you: I'm sweating it. There is a pyramid in the 'cultural production' world, where the public's favorites can make a life doing that work of cultural production. And if you're not a favorite, you have to do other work, and then do your cultural production work on the side.
I think it's important that we support each other in understanding the pressures of money. The real pressures. And I think it's equally important that we support each other in ignoring those pressures. Cause money does have nothing to do with art-making, really.
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I appreciate your thoughtfullness, and am totally with you about not waiting for others to make it. I've noticed that the things I get payment for, I'm able to focus myself on it more. I'm not running around doing it. I'm taking the time, trying to do it right...
One of the ideas I took from one of the interviews was that arts can be either a central part of public life, or it can be seen as an 'amenity'. In many cultures new art (not old art) is part of the whole public life. It's like how in some countries they have two hour lunches, or five hour dinners. We have a weak place for art in our public life, and a strong place for work/money generation.
How we think about these things matters. How do we value art? What makes us 'professional'? what makes it 'art'? For my money (so to speak) I think that art is part of pubilc discourse. I see governments and communities and countries evolving over time, and I think that art has a place in the public discourse. That place needs to be respected. And right now, in this country, that place needs to be defended. We've become overly utiliatarian, perhaps. My two cents... : )
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Webisode 3 & 4
We have posted webisodes 3 and 4 and want to get your feedback. *Particula
rly about Webisode 4 where our very own Senior Vice President of Marketing participat ed in a Q & A with blogger Rob Bettmann. Take a look:
Webisode 3*Webisode 4
Also, we want to hear from you about the future of this series. We are planning a monthly update blog where we ask even more people to write and answer Q&As. Who do you want to hear from and what are the most important topics to you in arts policy and funding?Edited by ovationtv, 4 years ago
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" OPINION... ........ I AM A LIFETIME "CREATIONIST" THAT BEGAN PAINTING AT 7 YEARS OF AGE WITH A PRIZE WINNING RENDITION OF THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT AND MANAGED TO SUPPORT MYSELF WITH ART, MUSIC, DANCE, AND CRAFTS IN MY TRAVELS IN 54 COUNTRIES AND SETTLEING IN HAWAII AT 62 YEARS CONTINUING THE JOURNEY THAT IS REWARDING AS A LIFESTYLE EVEN IF THERE ISN'T ANY MONEY. THE ART "MAFIA" CONTROLS THE MARKETPLACE AND EXHIBITION VENUES BY BOOKING ANY OPEN DATES WITH THEIR PEOPLE AND LEAVING UNEDUCATED, UNCONNECTED "ARTISTS" TO STRUGGLE WITHOUT GRANTS, PATRONAGE, FAVORABLE CRITICISM AND IN SOME CASES COMPLETE REJECTION FROM SOCIETY, FAMILY, AND PEERS. I THINK MY WORK HAS TOO MUCH IMPACT AND I HAVE A FORM OF TOURETTES ARTISTICALLY THAT DOESN'T ALLOW ME SUPPORT FROM ANYONE AFTER THEY MEET ME. THE ART THAT IS ACCEPTABLE IS A LONG LINE OF PEOPLE TRYING TO COPY SCENES OR PORTRAITS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE AND APPROVED BY THE SOCIAL MORES OF THE DAY. I SEE ANY IMAGE I PRODUCE AS A SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENT IN CREATING "ORIGINAL" IMAGES THAT ARE MADE WITH LONGEVITY IN MIND BY APPLYING "OIL" THICK WITH UNUSUAL TOOLS, LIKE SWORDS, NAILS, COMBS, AFRO PIKS, STICKS, STONES, AND BONES FROM ROADKILL INCIDENTS AROUND THE WORLD. I HAVE INFLUENCED HUNDREDS OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE LAST DECADE THAT CONTINUE TO CORRESPOND AND WISH ME WELL THAT HAVE SUPPORTED MY FREEDOM AND DIRECTION. I AM PLANNING, "ART SHOW FROM THE LAVA FLOW" AN EXHIBIT ON A LIVE VOLCANO UNDER A FULL MOON NIGHT NEAR KALAPANA, HAWAII. I PLACE 60 LARGE FORMAT IMAGES FLAT ON THE LAVA DISPLAYED TO BE DANCED UPON BY MY GUESTS AND VISITORS. I WOULD LOVE A RSS FEED OF THIS EVENT, BUT I AM ALWAYS WITHOUT MONEY, JUST BARELY GETTING BY WITH THE HELP ALWAYS SHOWING UP IN THE MOST CRUCIAL TIMES FROM INTERESTED PARTIES BEING GENEROUS. BUY MY "ART", AND REALIZE IT WAS THE BEST INVESTMENT IN YOUR PORTFOLIO BECAUSE IT WILL ALWAYS GROW IN VALUE. OIL/CANVAS IMAGES BY ONE OF THE MOST PROLIFIC ARTISTS OF THE 21ST CENTURY. READ YOUR ART HISTORY AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST CENTURY. I HAVE 240 IMAGES AVAILABLE IN A LARGE FORMAT STYLE 3FT. X 4FT. AND LARGER. I BARELY CAN PAY MY RENT AND WILL MARKET THEM FOR $1,000 EACH UNTIL I RAISE ENOUGH MONEY FOR A GALLERY SPACE. I AM PRESENTLY "IN STORAGE" WHICH IS BORING AND DEMEANING TO ANY ARTIST.
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price on emotions?
putting a price on artworks and judging them based on how much the market will bear is sooo wrong.....
look back and see Vincent's marketabil ity....in his lifetime he sold 1 painting, and now his stuff sells for more than millions, and proved to be more stable as investment than real estate, gold, stock or other commoditie s....why? because the emotions they stir are priceless. ... Edited by indigowizard, 4 years ago
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single artists I always appreciate your thoughtfullness... I wrote a post on my personal blog a while back about arts advocacy. I wrote: "I’ve gotten really involved in arts advocacy, in part, because I believe in myself. Advocating for the arts en masse has been a way for me to defend my own choices." It is cold out there. It really is. And as artists we are very much like small business owners.... just cause you build it, doesn't mean they're gonna come. You have to make it work for yourself, personally, at the same time that you're trying to (I feel) create something that transcends your self.
I strive to not be selfish as a human... fighting to get what you need to make your work -- that's self-centered, arrogant, no matter how you look at it. Am I frustrated to not be getting help that more self-focused folks are getting? Yes. Is it my fault? Yes. I am making different choices, and I live with that... But I do sit back and lick my wounds (as you've noticed), and try to fight to get the support that a growing arts community needs.
Is it about sustaining individual artists? Well, yeah, I think it is. Picking who those people should be.. goodness what a headache. ( Pick me! Pick me! ) Can't do it. Somewhere between helplessness, and self-centeredness is a maturity that I think will allow me to progres as an artist. What do you think about that? The arts field is actually about individual artists. (?)
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Robert,
Please do not get the idea that I'm attacking or anything like that. That's the farthest thing from my mind. I will say the arts are indeed made up of individual artists.
But on this topic, this particular discussion, I believe the goal was what could be done to promote the arts as a whole. What can we do to make all the arts (and thus the artists that create them) as important to our society as, say, football, or American Idol.
There is information out there, masses of it, that tell an artist how to promote him/herself. Some of it works, some of it doesn't. And it's up to the individual artist to try them, and get themselves out there.
But promoting the arts in general is not something you see talked about much, unless it's some sort of scandal or protest. And having the arts in the news only for that reason is hugely unfair to artists all over the world.
So, for this topic, I was hoping to get more about promoting the arts to the general public, and getting them involved. You already do that, and I'm working on it in my own way. And I believe it will take a lot of artists who are willing to put aside themselves on occasion, and coming together with others to strengthen one of the weakest areas of our society.
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How to promote the arts sector as a whole
Cheryl, my apologies for taking so very long to reply to this thread... Your question is one that I struggle with. How can we promote the arts? The arts are a multiplicity -- they are so many things. So diverse. How can we promote something so diverse? Marketing requires focus, and the arts are so broad that without focus on what within "art" you are marketing, you'll end up marketing nothing but yourself.
The arts and humanities contribute indirectly to my ability to have food and shelter, but directly to the pursuit of civilization that keeps material interests from dominating our individual lives. When I market the arts, I want to share the celebration of values integral to my personal understanding of civilation. Some art upholds, or represents, or embodies, values that I think are important, and other art does not. As a whole, technique, beauty, composition, intelligence, research, color, and expression are present within art that I care about. Step one of marketing the arts is identifying what is worth marketing, in some ways worth saving, and articulating that in affecting ways.
Arts education is a critical component of arts marketing. In some ways, it makes no difference to you as an adult if you read chaucer, or milton, or hemingway as a child. But it makes all the difference in the world to have adults insist that the values and precision in those works are valuable. To have your attention pulled from your natural childish interests toward works of adult value. We teach children not only to read, but what is valuable. When we market the arts to adults, it's the same thing. We are sharing what is valuable by declaring its worth. It's appropriate to be really thoughtful about exactly what it is that's important to market. We don't want to be exclusionary, but if I try to market all arts I am working against the values I think are really worth preserving and passing down. Marketing the arts field requires as much judgment as curation.
If one works for a particular business, or is trying to build a business, its excusable to be less idealistic and more reactionary. But if you are actually designing tools for the field, or even just your own community, you have to think about what within your community is really of value, and then design your marketing program to drive understanding and support for those things.
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Hi Robert, it's nice to have you back again!
I'm not going to try and reread this whole conversation so we can pick up where we left off. I got discouraged when I first tried to reread it, I stopped. A year has passed, and some of the debates and arguments that used to bother me, I now let pass by.
For example, the question of who are the leaders in the art world, and who makes the decisions about what is of value to keep, what is let go...
My answers have become very localized, or to use your term, more "focused". The leaders in the art world, those who decide what to teach (as far as art is concerned) those who decide issues and answer questions, those leaders are the people who decide to act.
Anyone, in my mind, who stops talking or complaining, gets up and gets involved becomes a leader and a decider. And it doesn't have to be the director of the Met or the MOMA, or an owner of some super-sized Walmart, or an artist that is world famous for pickling sharks. Those leaders are potentially each of us, in our own communites.
I also no longer think there is, or ever will be, a national drive to promote the arts and arts education. You use the word community and I think that is going to be the key. Communities dedicated to the building and promoting of the local arts are where it's going to happen. I work in my community, you work in yours. Just as you said, we learn and build the right tools to market the idea of the arts and it's values to our own community. After all, the arts are not a one-size-fits all kind of thing.
And I agree with you that it is also about the artists as individuals. We must receive as well as give.The arts community and the community in general that benefit from our art, our time and volunteerism (is that a word) must realize that we have electric bills too, and don't necessarily like living on Ramen noodles and saltines! Art has a value. We, as artists, have a value.
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